- "Sleuth of the Ming Dynasty" is fun and highly watchable. It's only sort of copaganda, and the ensemble cast works very well.
- In terms of ongoing wacky mainland racism (or 'different industrial approaches to casting and representation', if we're being more diplomatic), are any of these Mongolian characters being played by Mongolians? (Or is it another case of paested on yey beards—)
- Ope, we got ourselves a legalist here in the prison arc.
- This is the second time Dong’er has been human trafficked this year!
- What did those guys want to steal all these kids for, anyway? Is it a dodgy sex thing and they just never actually said as much on screen? Are we supposed to infer this? Is it just servitude? You do have to say something textually about the MO, even just a couple sentences.
- There was also a 'drug-dealer baker' arc I don't think we ever came back to, did we? Did some material get cut, here?
- When did we actually learn about Duo'erla's boyfriend? I don't remember being properly told about A'lassi, it was suddenly just being discussed as a fait acompli. Sure, we all know about A'lassi, the most delicious mango beverage in the Northern Desert! My bezzie mate, A'lassi!
- That de-Sinicised general Tang Fan released only showed back up at the very, very last second, i.e. when it was most narratively convenient for him to do so. The delay was under-explained, and his arrival a bit too pat. I didn't feel it really worked.
- Wang Zhi's second betraying him (or rather, attempting to) also didn't really work. We've already had a fake-out on this exact same subject with the exact same dude. What meaningfully changed between the two situations? Wang Zhi always treated this guy quite well. He was short with him on a few occasions, but certainly not sufficiently cruel to make a loyal second in command change his mind and mutiny. If it was just that the wind really seemed against Wang Zhi, or that the 2IC regretted his earlier decision to stay true to Wang Zhi, we could have done with a word to clarify his change of position. This was silly suspense, unsatisfying because it was insufficiently grounded in a clear character journey.
- Speak of, we never truly learned the body guard's deal! After all that! Narrative justice for the body guard!
- Officer Sui is exactly as good at martial arts as a given episode needs him to be.
- The emperor's cousin's rebellion plan was conveyed to the audience in a bitty, slightly confusing way that seemed to alter her position from scene to scene (and not as a result of clean, meaningful narrative reversals, either). The means and stakes of her proposed crime and the timeline thereof weren't very clear.
- Similarly, while the core villain is quite engaging, his plan is something of a mess. Finish the bombs, but do you really have those bombs, steal some more bombs, over-run the city with armies, become a minister?, but maybe that's not real, but bomb the city, but don't bomb the city, but kill the emperor-- Walk me through this, champ. For what's sort of kind of a detective show, this muddiness was particularly egregious. The show as a whole was engaging enough that I didn't care much, but this is not the brain that brought you the Big Ben caper/the head that made headlines in every newspaper.
- Maybe don't fuck yourself "Zorro" style by adopting the kid of a guy you personally got killed. Simply find a talented kid of whom this is not true. There have to be so, so many such kids. Look at Wang Zhi's Irregulars! Also, it's not that clear how this girl's father's demotion resulted in her becoming the property of the state and an official prostitute. It seemed as though her father was just relegated to a shitty rural position? That shouldn't have involved the repossession of his kids. It's key to her change of heart and the whole ending that her father was resigned to his personal downfall. I doubt he would have been if he'd been aware that his daughter was going to be sold into sex slavery, ASAP. Maybe the family lost money after his early death? I'd have appreciated some clarity here. It would only have taken a few lines to solidify this sequence of events.
- One of the best things about "Sleuth" is that it answers the slightly tiresome ‘this canon if X had a gun’ meme. The character who most needs a gun has a gun; nothing is faster due to this.
- In terms of Helena’s ‘is it prestige?’ emperor hotness index, while this is a hot emperor, his hotness never matters to the text. A tricky one.
- If you are a citizen of Ming Dynasty China and encounter literally any problem, please consider not immediately killing yourself. There could be other solutions!
- At odd moments, this story chooses to be a little palace drama, a little wuxia and a little steampunk. Evidently the Ming had hand grenades/catapult stones, but it did not have the show's super-machined, 'cut the red wire' style bombs. The two things aren't really meaningfully comparable (especially given that the show's bombs are clearly part of the steampunk arc which culminates in the invention of a medieval helicopter).
- The show sets up an odd parallel between the productions of its genius weapons' designer and contemporary materiel, and with it a moral calculus wherein machine guns are perfectly cool, but small-scale nuclear weapons are inhuman. Though I suppose that's sort of where we are now, in the global conversation.
- Me: Say you’re getting made a eunuch, right, as you do. Is that a testicles dealio, or just castration in the circumcision-plus sense?
Jane: See, I think it varies. I'm pretty sure that in Byzantium eunuchs just had their testicles removed, while in the historical Chinese context more was removed.
Me: This character is saying, 'I’ve made a HUGE SACRIFICE to go undercover', and I’m like 'yeah, how huge, mate?'
Jane: It's not the size of the sacrifice, it's what you do with it. The intro of "The Eunuchs in the Ming Dynasty" (
https://sunypress.edu/Books/T/The-Eunuchs-in-the-Ming-Dynasty) just says "well, there were different methods of castration" and does not give specifics, but some of the potential medical issues imply that it's not just removing the testicles.
"China's last eunuch spills sex secrets"(
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-china-eunuch/chinas-last-eunuch-spills-sex-secrets-idUSTRE52E06H20090316) makes similar references.
Me: So it's also the resticles, as it were.
- Katy: Maybe this assistant is in fact the weapons' designer's wife in drag rather than the Mistress of Disguise character in a second costume?
Me: A THIRD, distinct hot lady dressed as a man in as many episodes? TRES leches? En este economia??
This is not even counting the imperial consort who wears armour, but not in a guy way (or her squadron of similarly-garbed battle-handmaids).
- The most unbelievable thing about this show continues to be that we are supposed to believe Wang Zhi is 17, and was 14 when he started running the Western Depot. This Pitt the Even Younger ho ain’t 17.
- Wang Zhi versus severe autism.
- Cons: Duo’erla is dead.
Pros: We got an interesting flashback episode!
- ‘Whatever you do, don’t let Officer Sui survive on depression meals’
- I haven't mentioned Dong'er, but she is always a treasure. She will be your Little Purple for this evening.
- Everyone is like, 'this courtesan is the hottest woman ever born, oh, ooooh!' Said courtesan is: a pretty normal lady. She's serving slight Angelina Jolie pony face? She's fine. She's attractive, but so is every woman in this universe, because that is what casting means: the good-looking end happily, and the bad unhappily.
- Villain: the scenes today remind me of New Year's!
Me, glancing at calendar: Coincidentally, the scenes today remind me pretty strongly of New Year’s as well.
- Can swords just slice through metal chains like this? Hmm.
- Pros: You invented aircraft flight!
Cons: Not for long, you didn’t.
- The visuals of this scene where a ransomed general in the Oriat clothing of his captors publicly gets re-dressed as a Ming, Han authority figure are really successful. It’s a cool piece of public theatre.
- Katy: Why didn't he just want to stay on the plains?
Me: You ever read "Eighteen Songs of a Nomad Flute"? Mutton sucks, apparently. You can have a lot of kids up there, but not even love for her own children can overcome a true Han aristocrat's deep hatred of mutton.
- Me, before episode started: He’s going to be an imposter.
His wife: My husband died in Mongolian jail, this ain’t him.
Me: Seeeeee.
Though perhaps she is the liar, because she doesn’t want him?
Oh it was double lying, nice, nice.
- Katy: They should just cancel the banquet.
Me: And disrupt the Rites of Zhou, leaving us with only the bits of the Book of Odes that don't suck?? THE DYNASTY WILL FALL, DO YOU WANT THAT?!
- The Chinese drama plot power up arc is so anime, like:
Episode 17: Who’s got the chicken cup?! An embarrassing situation! 🙈
Episode 40: Will the world perish in fire and this used car salesman become king of a realm of ashes?
- If you watch this on Rakuten Viki on your laptop, either turn on an ad blocker or get ready to hear about mattresses five thousand times. We only have one traditional Western style bed in this house; I can only need so many mattresses?
- It's not really clear why Doctor Pei and the protagonist's sister hook up. He's a goodish character, and She's nice in a slightly flat 'woman character' way. By the time they get together, they have indeed have known one another for some time. Doctor Pei has saved her son's life and been kind to her. But what about her makes her It for this reformed womaniser? It's a bit comp-het. Just find something to say, don't Sk8terboi relationships!
- In the flashback, someone named Yu Liang gets selected as a palace eunuch. Yu Liang's already been through so much, getting curb stomped at weiqi over in cdrama "Hikaru no Go". Must he lose his dick, too?
- Save the capitol for the Ming! Or for the safety of the general public! Or for a caravan-inspection fast pass! Or for a life time VIP discount card at Joyous Brothel, the city’s premier establishment for—
- Apparently the source text for this show was a danmei webnovel. Fanlore, at least, claims that the “drama was based on the novel of the same name by Meng Xi Shi. The novel was originally a BL novel. However, the main theme revolves around the crime-solving and not the romance. The published version features bromance between the characters instead of romance.” That’s quite confusing, even having followed up the link fanlore cites as a source (which is random, fannish promotional material which offers no attribution and has no evident authorship in and of itself). Do they mean the published print version? The current online version? The only extant, fully realised online version, because changes were made to the planned story during the publication of the novel itself? Any of these could be true. Besides, who is giving me this information, and how reliable are they?
- Presumably on the basis of this, people straight up told me this show was a danmei. It's--just not? That might be true of the source text, or it might be the ‘in the know’ genre-driven reading. For a random viewer, however, this is certainly no "Word of Honour". For the best part of the text, sure, you can ship the male leads if you want. Contra-indications are thin on the ground. But so too are indications? Textually, the show's not really serving tons beyond 'friendship, the stoic one cooks'. In seeing this as queer, you wouldn't quite be performing a reading of the text, you'd be bringing a project to it and doing transformative work. That's cool by me, but "this is a danmei" is pretty different than "this isn’t exactly a danmei in its present form, but it’s legible on those terms". There's on-purpose, textually romantic, there's classic K/S 'I can easily interpret this as romantic', and there's 'I am watching "Teen Wolf" and am BYOB".
Maybe you don't want to admit that this element was lost in the transition, but that's where we are. I think it's worth being pretty clear on what you're dealing with. I came to this show for an ensemble mystery programme, and it was fairly successful as such. If I'd come to it looking for a romance, I'd be pretty disappointed and would have enjoyed it much less. It's like if you went about telling people that "Due South" is a romance rather than just saying something along the lines of, "I get something out of reading in a romance", or "I find a romance reading possible/compelling". What's the actual value in being overly-assertive?
I wouldn’t even come to "Sleuth" for bromance, honestly. At almost all points, this reads as cop drama. Sometime they save each other and there’s some found family shit, but that’s true of literally half of the cop shows going. I’ve seen heavier smarm on a kaiser, and/or on shows that thought they were ABSOLUTELY het. There's little if any flirting here, and there's no structural emphasis on the romance. Jackie Chan produced this? "Rush Hour" was only barely less romantic than "Sleuth".
The points where this is less true:
- The show doesn't emphasise or care about comphet that much. Douqi points out that this is fairly unusual for programmes of this type. I do see her point, but that's also true of half the period western shows going. I’m just not prepared to view an absence of aggressive comphet as in and of itself the stuff of successful queer romance. I would need more.
- In the final 15% of the show, some things happen that I could interpret as potentially textually queer. They're arguable, but these events are open to a fairly straight-up queer reading that is not particularly wilful. The very negative way Officer Sui reacts to the death of an acquaintance and a subsequent fight with Tang Fan could just be down to PTSD and grief, but Officer Sui's reaction might also have been greatly worsened by Tang Fan's being angry with and leaving him. The way Officer Sui then reacts when Tang Fan returns after an abduction is suggestive, albeit brief. There is a 'bro hand clasp' at a moment of tension that suggests they are important to one another: this is, of course, far more key to a successful romantic reading than any actual sexual realisation of the relationship in question.
That's about it.
One thing that makes "Sleuth" an especially weird potential romance is the way the final climax arc relies not at all on the pairing characters’ feelings for one another. In fact, the climax separates them for all of the key events. The ending also allows them little to no direct dialogue, either alone or in company. The scale of the climax and the characters' roles therein would make it difficult for the final conflict be
about them, but you could easily have staged events such that the romantic leads' teamwork or knowledge of one another was uniquely important to the plot resolution, or even so that the denoumont wrap up was about them rather than an almost universal return to status quo antebellum for the goodies.
Also, while I didn't find this element compelling or successful, for most of Duo'erla's tenure in the story the show
does stage everything from her entrance to their boat language learning conversation as though Duo'erla is Tang Fan's love interest. It's all pretty plausibly deniable, even when it comes to her final sacrifice. That does, however, blur the viewer's focus. She gets the visual cues and stand-by scenarios that should be aligned with romance.
- Emperor ‘I’ve forgotten how to hold a sword even though you saw me doing it quite well earlier; also, I’ve forgotten how to be a character and not a McGuffin even though I’ve had a personality right up until the climax’ and his wife even got the story's romantic flashback sequence. That could have been played off as a Broment! I'd have counted that!
- Bringing back characters from several previous cases for the finale worked well.
- It’s kind of odd that Wang Zhi, who is not one of the romantic leads, has the show's clearest arc. His position at the story's end is materially different from his starting point, and we can easily describe the change in his personal life as well. He basically sums it up for the audience. I sort of feel the story de-facto excludes him from the 'potential main love interest' category by virtue of his being a eunuch, which I have some qualms with.
- Wang Zhi also has a strange triangulation going on. Throughout the story, he's driven by his desire to serve the realm and the emperor, but this stems from his desire to serve his mother figure. This woman is, with Wang Zhi's knowledge, using Wang Zhi for her own husband’s interests.
- At the end of the story Tang Fan, a notorious blunderer in court situations, is suddenly the Royalty Explainer, explicating the emperor's decision to Wang Zhi. For some reason, Wang Zhi doesn't tell him where to get off. This is like CMOT Dibbler telling Vetinari a thing or two. I do not believe there is anything Tang Fan can tell Wang Zhi about the emperor that Wang Zhi didn't tell him first.