See, but Scar kind of reminds me of Ainley!Master anyway...

[x_los]

...and Claudius was played by Derek Jacobi once, so really, it's The Circle of Life at work here...

In the song "Be Prepared" in the Lion King, Scar tells his hyena henchmen that 'my words are a matter of pride.' We're all down with Lion King being an adaptation of Hamlet, right? Like, I don't have to sell anyone on that?* The ego-pride/lion-pride pun here mirrors Hamlet's bawdy line to Ophelia, 'did you think I meant country matters?' It's actually BRILLIANT. The similarity for me hinged on the double meaning consisting of personally satisfying/political, and the word 'matters,' despite the different in speakers: Scar/Claudius in one, Simba/Hamlet in the other.

Also, if you haven't seen it, Lion King 1 1/2 is [1] cuteness and [2] totally Rosencrantz and Gildenstern Are Dead A Meerkat and A Warthog. No seriously, Stoppard should sue. Or LOL. OR BOTH AT ONCE.

Also Kronk's New Groove is surprisingly funny, in an odd vignette-y way.

I kind of want Kelley to be 'round so we can watch Enchanted, which I've never seen.

...and I think it's the Scar-Cheetah!Master connection, the somewhat reminiscent of each other hair (inc. a beard...on a lion. And I SWEAR Scar is like, rubbing up against a tree that's exuding sap or something b/c that mane? Is gelled.), the cackling, the weird cat-like leering and the domination plots that makes me see it, tbh.


*EDIT* Also it's the Ainley-levels of pure camp in Scar's delivery of "sensational news!"

*Edit x2* Something to quote in case of Sycorax invasion (btw, the whole awkwardly translating "Sycorax rocks. In the modern sense, 'they rock.' " line is amazing and I love it to death.). Also: Is Rafiki in some ways Yorick? Though fulfilling more of a wise fool role like Feste in Twelfth Night, going beyond simply being 'a fellow of infinite jest'? Even as Zazu is obviously Polonious? I think Nala may be a fusion Ophelia and Horatio.

This is probably Too Much Thought About The Lion King.

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[aralias.livejournal.com]

1. the lion king is hamlet. this is true. except - with a happy ending! scar is my favourite disney character of all time. i can kind of see him being ainley!master, but his plan actually works which ruins the comparison slightly.
2. enchanted it Awesome. i love it.

[x-los.livejournal.com]

1) There was a sequel to Hamlet--a whole play where Fortinbras was in love with Ophelia's ghost? This was not by Shakespeare, and was in modern English, but preserved the last few scenes of the original play in Shakespearian English. I have not seen this play? It sounds so deeply special.

Yeah, but he fucks up in the end and over-hunts and everyone runs out of food and is like 'Thanks, Scar,' so perhaps it still holds. Also Scar's goal is more modest, and we know from Survival that Ainley!Master ROCKS at 'dominating a small herd of predatory cats'--that he can do.
2) I'm apparently off to see Enchanted tonight! Also, omg your shoes adventure sounds adventurous! The kind of posh place that makes you ring first? Scare-awesome.

[aralias.livejournal.com]

1. that sounds very very bad. interestingly, i haven't read it and i hsould have done given that my dissertation was principally about adaptations of hamlet. i suppose, technically, it wasn't a revision, but still - hadn't even heard of it. though it sounds bad.

also scar still wins over ainley (though i enjoy your big cat arguement) for holding onto the pride for many years, but then he didn't have a nemesis/reason for failing to conquer so *shrugs* aaaaaand pride rock did recover. meanwhile the whole cheeter planet exploded. so - sorry ainley. to be honest, the master's really really rubbish at all the stuff he does most often. he should just become a scientist and retire or something.
2. hooray for enchanted. at first it seems like it's just kind of fun but disposable and then you realise that the songs have been you in yoru head for the last week and then next time you watch it you love it forever and life is better.
2a. shoes were scary, yes. but great. i felt like i was in the devil wears prada or something. ah yes, i know vivianne westwood's 1996 catalogue like the back of my own hand... yes, yes, i do remember that time when naomi cambell fell over in the shoes, ha ha, how we laughed...

... but i did know who zebedee was. which is something.

[x-los.livejournal.com]

1] The best script ever for a Hamlet sequel is to be found here:

http://books.google.com/books?id=-s8ZYiMmKesC&pg=PP1&dq=fortinbras&client=firefox-a&sig=ACfU3U0Yt9q0Ns581wVZOJD1CxdFC6CjPA an excerpt of the coveted Masterwork 'Fortinbras,'
http://www.theatermirror.com/CRfortvokes.htm <-- vague summary of the same

Great play or greatest play?

And:

http://www.trialofhamlet.com/index.htm . There's a Mary Sue defense attorney. R&G prosecute. For your pleazurez. You have Kelley to 'thank' for this.

FEEL THE ART.

Look, we dunno how long Ainley!Master was there! He--he could have been there ages, TL clothes apparently stay fresh in nearly any conditions! And he might have washed that awk suit thing! And that planet blowing up was a natural phenomenon!

...yes he should totally just be a scientist and I bet the Rani thinks this all the time and headesks that her old friends, who would be super-competent physicists or some shit--are out there fucking around rather than neatly living on Gallifrey in a stable relationship, occasionally offering her free consultation on her cross-discipline projects and Never Fucking Up Her Shit.

2] Enchanted was teh uber-fun. I actually loved characters I did not expect to. And now I want like half those dresses for real.

[blinkidybah.livejournal.com]

1) Yah Yah Fortinbras. There's a chunk of it up on teh nets - googlebooks mebbe. I was not teh impressed :(

Maybe?

[x-los.livejournal.com]

Thanks again!

[order_of_chaos]

OMG. YES.
SCAR = THE MASTER
Now I know why newly regenerated Ten knew The Lion King thoroughly enough to accidentally quote bits of it.

Thick as you are, pay attention.
I can just hear the Master saying something like that.

I need to rewatch the Lion King with this in my head. I haven't seen it for years.

[x-los.livejournal.com]

Ten watched that movie, lightly stroking the screen and emo wibbling.

Yes! See, lines like that--totally.

Yeah me neither, I kind of want an honest Disney marathon now, like the lame Total Girl I soooo am.

[gritsinmisery.livejournal.com]

You know the bit in the "original" Lion King where baby!Simba says, "Uncle Scar, you're so weird," and Scar replies, "Oh, you have noooo idea"? It's a repeat of a hunk of script from Reversal of Fortune. Because Jeremy Irons is a creepy mofo, yo.

...Circle of Life-wise, Stewart played Claudius to Jacobi *points to icon*, just like he's doing now for Tennant. (I found the fact that Stewart rehearses in a pinstriped suit kind of amusing... I guess somebody's really into Method, ni?)

[x-los.livejournal.com]

I've not even heard of Reversal of Fortune! huh! wiki makes it seem good, though!

Oh I've see that version! And made many jokes about how they're stuck in a Dalek Detention Camp for high end political prisoners during the war, and this is them doing Community Theater to pass the time. And naturally Master insisted on being Hamlet, and Romana thinks this is all a bit dubious but dislikes being worse than him at any activity and so is giving her all... that might actually be a cute ficlet.

And that's weird! Stewart as Rite of Passage.

And maybe it's ye olde Star Trek geek in my heart, but I have suddenly come to the conclussion that Patric Stewart would be a good Doctor. I so want old man Doctors back. Fewer Astrid-incidents.

[gritsinmisery.livejournal.com]

*sighs* *feels old*

Jeremy and Glenn Close as Claus and Happy von Bulow (an Auersperg princess) -- RL East Coast society types; he offed her w/ an overdose of insulin (she was diabetic) for the $ in 1982, there's a big-ass trial, book's written in 1985, movie's released in 1990.

I was of age for the whole damn thing. *feels really old now*

Yerp, we need to go back to older Doctors who are more apt to call companions "silly youngster" than "dear heart."

[blinkidybah.livejournal.com]

I'M HOME TONIGHT, BITCHEZ

WE WILL ENJOY ENCHANTED.

TOGETHER. (WITH SMOOTHIEZ)

[x-los.livejournal.com]

WORD. SMOTHIEZ ALL THE FUCK AROUND.

I have no litcrit to respond with, so...

[http://users.livejournal.com/_coherent/]

...Timon is a meerkat.

Re: I have no litcrit to respond with, so...

[x-los.livejournal.com]

What, really?! I just thought 'oh, a fuzzy thing!' But yes, thanks. Oh also: as per lj, should have done panninis. x_x

"Kings and successions" indeed!

[prettyarbitrary.livejournal.com]

Ah, goose-stepping hyenas. I'd forgotten.

You know? Scar totally has an Ainley!Master vibe. It's the impossible smirk and look of sneering feline satisfaction, I think. Also Scar's little hair-flip...I have never been able to figure out what it is about the Master that says "slightly effeminate" to me (I think it's different for every Master), but it's there.

Also Lion King = Hamlet needs no defending to me.

Re: "Kings and successions" indeed!

[x-los.livejournal.com]

Me too!

See?! I'm not insane, I'm observant!

I have never been able to figure out what it is about the Master that says "slightly effeminate" to me

I have always thought /exactly/ the same thing! I think deborah_judge believes I'm a little nuts for it. I think with Delgado!Master it might be the bitchy-vibe, the arms-crossed defensiveness, something about the swish body language. Whereas Ainley!Master has exploded into full on Diva/Malefecent in Sleeping Beauty high camp glory, and Simm!Master is, for all his nutcaseness, somewhere back on the bitchy/siwsh plane with a side of purring-into-phones Femme Fatale. And we don't get to know Yana that well, but we get his crooked finger come hither gesture. Even Roberts gets to run around posing and opining that he 'always dresses for the occasion' at the top of some stairs like he thinks it's time to engage in some Sunset Boulevard roleplay. *eyeroll*

Re: "Kings and successions" indeed!

[prettyarbitrary.livejournal.com]

Dude! EricRoberts!Master is the fanciest thing this side of Liberace. And "swish" is a good word for Simm!Master. Was it you who wrote the "Master & Master drool over the Doctor together" fic where he's described as "swanning?" Because that was the perfect word for him. He swans.

At the end of the day, I think it all stems from the Master's feminine approach to breakup!spite. He's got a catty attitude about it that I see far more often in women than men. Which, now that I think of it, is part of the reason I find him both hilarious and frightening, because I've seen the kinds of things a psychobitch can do to her ex.

Re: "Kings and successions" indeed!

[x-los.livejournal.com]

If he were a cat, he would insist on Fancy Feast. That's how fancy. Yeah, that was me. *blush* I was kind of 'put your ultra-femme Master characterization /back/, young lady, there is no place for those schenanigans in fandom! This is The Internet!' But then I made a Sparta joke and did it anyway, overcoming my own embarrassment about it. V. touching, I know.

Yeah, psychobitch ex--it lingered at the back of my mind, but I couldn't really articulate it. But yes, exactly that: with all the venom of one of them who's still emotionally invested in The Ex and self-aware enough to get it. *eyeroll* Counseling. Get some.

Re: "Kings and successions" indeed!

[prettyarbitrary.livejournal.com]

Well, it doesn't help that The Ex keeps stringing him along. Doctor, you tart! Either reel him in or cut him loose! (Not that the Master would take 'cut him loose' for an answer.)

I feel a Skullcrusher Mountain coming on.

Re: &quot;Kings and successions&quot; indeed!

[x-los.livejournal.com]

I want to know what The Action would be that made the Master be like, 'No, you know what? Done.' Can be either from disgust or despair. It's hard--I want to say he's too persistent to ever drop it? But they're too frigging OTP for them to be /able/ to do the Full, Proper and Forever GTFO and still be /them/, in a way.

[starletfallen.livejournal.com]

...Probably too much thought about the Lion King, yes. But AWESOME too much thought. So it's all good.

Magi linked me here. And I would like to know if I may friend you? Hi, I'm Evie. :)

[x-los.livejournal.com]

I'm glad you enjoyed! I should submit it as a dissertation: "The Lion King and Parallel Texts: in which Scar Lacks an Lion!Doctor and Thus Is 78% Less Gay (Also Some Shit About Hamlet)--a Comparative Reading." Oh man. Defending that before a panel, dead serious, would ROCK.

Magi linked me here.

She would, that hussy. Go nuts, for surely, I will friend you back! Hiiii! I'm Erin, also.

[meaning-full.livejournal.com]

Never too much thought. Never too much Lion King.

[x-los.livejournal.com]

I like this for bumper stickers.